SEFTA Rolling 16 (Winter League)

[Tartan]

I’ve copied this over from the old forum, this was the post provided by Simon Evans to determine a more even spread of grades for the regional winter leagues, working on the split of 15% A, 35% A, 35% B and 15% C. This will revert to BFTA grading for the GP series.

For the many that don't use Facebook.

Just so everyone is clear what this means, there is no BFTA winter grading, Simon has produced regional grading and this is only for regions that don’t have their own local winter grading system. You will see big differences, for example in CSFTA a shooter with an average of 88% will find themselves in “A”, whereas in SEFTA an average of 83% will get you into “AA”. This is because the same % split of available shooters with a BFTA card in each region determines the number of shooters in each grade and not a fixed point,

Simon explains this as follows;

Bit of a change for this winters REGIONAL Grades

Firstly, as Wafta, Swefta, Mfta and Nwfta use their own or modified grading system, anything I as Bfta grading officer set over the winter is really null and void.

So for winter 2019/20, I have set individual grade boundaries for each region, with the exception of Sarpa due to its low shooter count and there is no winter or summer league sadly in Scotland at present.
Thus you may find A grade in "your" Region is different to A grade in the region next to you? That's due to different amounts of competitive shooters in each region

I have used the 15 % / 35%/ 35 % 15% as a rough basis to balance the classes for winter, discounting Ungraded shooters.

Wafta, swefta, Mfta and I believe Nwefta will use their own, but I have set them anyway as guide?
Nefta, sefta, FFTa and Csfta are free to change the boundaries if the "Region" sees fit.
It will make no difference the the BFTa come the summer, what grade a shooter has competed in over Winter.

SEFTA

Surname|Forename|Club|BFTA NO|Current BFTA grade|Ave.%|Date|Last score

AA Grade

Chopping|John|KENT WOODSMEN|71139|AA|94.07|3.11.19|92.1

Eley|Dan|KENT WOODSMEN|70031|AA|92.41|3.11.19|100

Challis|Ian|SPRINGFIELD|70003|AA|92.10||86.4

Osborne|Richard|SPRINGFIELD|71222|AA|87.98||92

Carter|Steven|ICENI|70721|AA|85.72|3.11.19|100

Todd|Craig|ICENI|70099|AA|85.41|3.11.19|89.4

Shead|Natalie|ICENI|71254|AA|84.59|3.11.19|92.1

High|Simon|ICENI|70722|AA|84.36|3.11.19|97.3

Croucher|Dave|KENT WOODSMEN|70145|AA|83.85|3.11.19|92.1

Dibben|Neil|KENT WOODSMEN|71304|AA|83.30|20.10.19|76.9

A Grade

Eaton|Colin|SPRINGFIELD|70121|A|80.89|3.11.19|86.8

Mason|Andy|SPRINGFIELD|71242|A|79.88||71.1

Ward|David|SPRINGFIELD|70016|A|79.69|3.11.19|94.7

Shead|Andrew|ICENI|71279|A|78.96|3.11.19|73.6

Pattle|Simon|ETL|70532|A|78.82|20.10.19|76.9

Edwards|Peter J|SPRINGFIELD|71164|A|78.15|3.11.19|70.1

McDonald|Barry|SPRINGFIELD|70756|A|78.05|3.11.19|89.4

Kempton|Stan|SPRINGFIELD|70351|A|77.10|3.11.19|84.2

Martin|Antony|KENT WOODSMEN|71316|A|76.18|3.11.19|86.8

Jopson|Graham|SPRINGFIELD|71275|A|75.48|3.11.19|84.2

Kettley|Andy|ETL|71294|A|75.39||58.9

Lloyd|John|ICENI|70727|A|74.74|20.10.19|76.9

Cheeseman|Jason|ETL|71182|A|74.04|3.11.19|86.8

Farrow|Harry|ETL|71296|A|72.96|3.11.19|71

B Grade

Howe|Tracy|ICENI|71137|B|73.65||89.1

Ross|Paul|ETL|71318|B|73.49|3.11.19|84.2

Keogh|Gary|ETL|71200|B|73.28|3.11.19|78.9

Edwards|Peter T|SPRINGFIELD|71209|B|71.47|3.11.19|89.4

Bateman|George|SPRINGFIELD|71083|B|71.11||77.5

Barron|Nick|SPRINGFIELD|71324|B|70.71|3.11.19|68.4

Walker|John|SPRINGFIELD|70429|B|70.04|3.11.19|78.9

Mason|Leann|SPRINGFIELD|71255|B|68.77||72.9

O`Connor|David|SPRINGFIELD|70769|B|68.36|3.11.19|60.5

Kearey|John|ETL|70132|B|68.31|3.11.19|71

Howe|Barry|ICENI|71136|B|67.74||72.9

Johnson|Barry|KENT WOODSMEN|71266|B|67.08|3.11.19|81.5

Stickings|Peter|SPRINGFIELD|71286|B|66.37|20.10.19|69.2

Martin|Steve|KENT WOODSMEN|71314|B|63.86|20.10.19|51.2

Sultana|Tony|KENT WOODSMEN|70051|B|62.02|3.11.19|57.8

Eley|Gordon|KENT WOODSMEN|70032|B|59.98|3.11.19|50

B Grade

Williams|Gerry|ICENI|71306|C|59.87|3.11.19|73.6

Townsend|Trevor|ETL|71317|C|50.77|3.11.19|65.7

New |John|ETL|71298|C|50.58|3.11.19|71

Cogger|Emma|KENT WOODSMEN|71323|C|49.13||52.6

Williams|Callum|ICENI|71208|C|48.88|3.11.19|50

Moyniham|Nigel|ETL|71307|C|44.05|3.11.19|57.8

Barnes|Sean|ETL|71319|C|41.58|3.11.19|55.2

C Grade

Allen|Keith|ETL|70103|U |81.00||76.3

Bygrave|Peter|SPRINGFIELD|71246|U |78.95||74.3

Whitting|Dave|SPRINGFIELD|71202|U |63.20||63.2

Heath|Stephen|KENT WOODSMEN|71058|U |51.80||51.8

Brooks|Sam|ICENI|71198|U |48.20|3.11.19|33.3

Challis|Ian jnr.|SPRINGFIELD|71204|U |0.00||0

Coe |Adrian|ETL|70982|U |0.00||0

Farrow|Martyn|ETL|71327|U |0.00||0

Hobson|Chris|KENT WOODSMEN|71313|U |0.00||0

Lloyd|Peter|ETL|71326|U |0.00||0

Lockett|Jason|ETL|71197|U |0.00||0

Lockie|Dave|ETL|71330|U |0.00||0

Long|George|ETL|71328|U |0.00||0

Newton|Glenn|ETL|71329|U |0.00||0

Simpson|Barry|ICENI|71028|U |0.00||0

Travers|Anthony|ETL|70628|U |0.00||0

Travers|Daniel|ETL|71325|U |0.00||0

Tyler|Paul|SPRINGFIELD|70886|U |0.00||0

Young|Ian|SPRINGFIELD|71151|U |0.00||0

[SteveC]

Grade AA

Name	Club	Average%
John Chopping	Kent	94.07
Dan Eley	Kent	92.41
Ian Challis	Springfield	92.10
Richard Osborne	Springfield	87.98
Todd	Iceni	86.08
Steve Carter	Iceni	85.04
Dave Croucher	Kent	84.8
Simon High	Iceni	84.64
Natalie Shead	Iceni	84.42
Spencer Freeman	Kent	83.51
Neil Dibben	Kent	83.44

Grade A

Name	Club	Average%
Colin Eaton	Springfield	81.16
Simon Pattle	ETL	79.90
Andy Mason	Springfield	79.88
Peter J Edwards	Springfield	79.71
Dave Ward	Springfield	79.49
Andrew Shead	Iceni	79.25
Barry McDonald	Springfield	78.05
Stan Kempton	Springfield	76.67
Graham Jopson	Springfield	76.42
Antony Martin	Kent	76.24
Andy Kettley	ETL	75.39
John Lloyd	Iceni	74.49
Jason Cheeseman	ETL	74.04
Harry Farrow	ETL	73.26

Grade B

Name	Club	Average%
Gary Keogh	ETL	73.87
Tracy Howe	Iceni	73.65
Paul Ross	Iceni	73.32
John Walker	Springfield	72.43
Peter T Edwards	Springfield	71.61
George Bateman	Springfield	71.11
Nick Barron	Springfield	70.50
Leann Mason	Springfield	68.77
John Kearey	ETL	68.31
Peter Stickings	Springfield	67.89
Barry Howe	Iceni	67.74
Dave O'Connor	Springfield	67.62
Barry Johnson	Kent	67.08
Steve Martin	Kent	63.86
Tony Sultana	Kent	61.31
Gordon Eley	Kent	59.98

Grade C

Name	Club	Average%
Gerry Williams	Iceni	59.87
John New	ETL	53.85
Trevor Townsend	ETL	50.04
Emma Cogger	Kent	49.13
Callum Williams	Iceni	48.88
Nigel Moyniham	ETL	44.31
Sam Brooks	Iceni	42.93
Sean Barnes	ETL	41.58
Ruby Chambers	ETL	23.72

[Eaton Rifles]

Thanks Steve, I would do this but because of a certain person's childiness I can't see the rolling 16 data...

[SteveC]

Another update...

AA Grade

Chopping|John|KENT WOODSMEN|71139|AA|94.07|1.12.19|100

Eley|Dan|KENT WOODSMEN|70031|AA|93.04|1.12.19|87.1

Challis|Ian|SPRINGFIELD|70003|AA|92.10||86.4

Osborne|Richard|SPRINGFIELD|71222|AA|87.98||92

Todd|Craig|ICENI|70099|AA|86.73|1.12.19|84.6

Carter|Steven|ICENI|70721|AA|86.16|1.12.19|92.3

Croucher|Dave|KENT WOODSMEN|70145|AA|84.98|1.12.19|79.4

High|Simon|ICENI|70722|AA|84.20|1.12.19|87.1

Shead|Natalie|ICENI|71254|AA|84.14|1.12.19|89.7

Dibben|Neil|KENT WOODSMEN|71304|AA|83.44|1.12.19|89.7

A Grade

Eaton|Colin|SPRINGFIELD|70121|A|81.84|1.12.19|82

Ward|David|SPRINGFIELD|70016|A|80.81|1.12.19|100

Edwards|Peter J|SPRINGFIELD|71164|A|80.55|1.12.19|92.3

Pattle|Simon|ETL|70532|A|79.90|17.11.19|91.8

Mason|Andy|SPRINGFIELD|71242|A|79.88||71.1

McDonald|Barry|SPRINGFIELD|70756|A|79.63|1.12.19|92.3

Shead|Andrew|ICENI|71279|A|79.18|1.12.19|87.1

Martin|Antony|KENT WOODSMEN|71316|A|77.20|1.12.19|89.7

Kempton|Stan|SPRINGFIELD|70351|A|76.67|17.11.19|70.2

Jopson|Graham|SPRINGFIELD|71275|A|76.22|1.12.19|82

Kettley|Andy|ETL|71294|A|75.39||58.9

Cheeseman|Jason|ETL|71182|A|75.34|1.12.19|89.7

Lloyd|John|ICENI|70727|A|75.01|1.12.19|84.6

Farrow|Harry|ETL|71296|A|73.26|1.12.19|76.9

B Grade

Ross|Paul|ETL|71318|B|73.96|1.12.19|76.9

Keogh|Gary|ETL|71200|B|73.87|17.11.19|81

Howe|Tracy|ICENI|71137|B|73.65||89.1

Walker|John|SPRINGFIELD|70429|B|72.92|1.12.19|76.9

Edwards|Peter T|SPRINGFIELD|71209|B|71.39|1.12.19|69.2

Barron|Nick|SPRINGFIELD|71324|B|71.38|1.12.19|84.6

Bateman|George|SPRINGFIELD|71083|B|71.11||77.5

Mason|Leann|SPRINGFIELD|71255|B|68.77||72.9

O`Connor|David|SPRINGFIELD|70769|B|68.33|1.12.19|76.9

Kearey|John|ETL|70132|B|68.31|3.11.19|71

Johnson|Barry|KENT WOODSMEN|71266|B|68.21|1.12.19|76.9

Stickings|Peter|SPRINGFIELD|71286|B|67.97|1.12.19|69.2

Howe|Barry|ICENI|71136|B|67.74||72.9

Martin|Steve|KENT WOODSMEN|71314|B|63.86|20.10.19|51.2

Sultana|Tony|KENT WOODSMEN|70051|B|62.18|1.12.19|74.32

Eley|Gordon|KENT WOODSMEN|70032|B|60.62|1.12.19|76.9

C Grade

Williams|Gerry|ICENI|71306|C|61.93|1.12.19|74.3

New |John|ETL|71298|C|56.40|1.12.19|71.7

Townsend|Trevor|ETL|71317|C|50.04|17.11.19|40.5

Cogger|Emma|KENT WOODSMEN|71323|C|49.13||52.6

Williams|Callum|ICENI|71208|C|48.49|1.12.19|46.1

Brooks|Sam|ICENI|71198|C|45.65|1.12.19|53.8

Moyniham|Nigel|ETL|71307|C|44.31|17.11.19|45.9

Barnes|Sean|ETL|71319|C|41.90|1.12.19|43.5

Ungraded AA

Allen|Keith|ETL|70103|U |81.00||76.3

Bygrave|Peter|SPRINGFIELD|71246|U |78.95||74.3

Whitting|Dave|SPRINGFIELD|71202|U |63.20||63.2

Heath|Stephen|KENT WOODSMEN|71058|U |51.80||51.8

Travers|Anthony|ETL|70628|U |0.00||0

Tyler|Paul|SPRINGFIELD|70886|U |0.00||0

Coe |Adrian|ETL|70982|U |0.00||0

Simpson|Barry|ICENI|71028|U |0.00||0

Young|Ian|SPRINGFIELD|71151|U |0.00||0

Lockett|Jason|ETL|71197|U |0.00||0

Challis|Ian jnr.|SPRINGFIELD|71204|U |0.00||0

Hobson|Chris|KENT WOODSMEN|71313|U |0.00||0

Travers|Daniel|ETL|71325|U |0.00||0

Lloyd|Peter|ETL|71326|U |0.00||0

Farrow|Martyn|ETL|71327|U |0.00||0

Long|George|ETL|71328|U |0.00||0

Newton|Glenn|ETL|71329|U |0.00||0

Lockie|Dave|ETL|71330|U |0.00||0

[Tartan]

Cheers Steve, did you notice that Spencer Freeman and Ruby Chambers have disappeared off the latest update?
Did this come from the same Facebook page as the update you posted here previously?

[nats]

I made the additions to Steve's post last week. Simon hadn't included them on fb

[Tartan]

Aah OK that explains it, thanks

[SteveC]

The Facebook BFTA grading page has now been made open and public for all to see. https://www.facebook.com/groups/755114154652802/

[Eaton Rifles]

The Facebook BFTA grading page has now been made open and public for all to see. https://www.facebook.com/groups/755114154652802/

It may be public now but because Simon is still posting as himself and he's actively blocking me I still can't see any content.

[SteveC]

I dont know whats going on with that page. All of the rolling 16 have been deleted and this was posted this morning...

Coincidentally it also wins the '2020 Longest Facebook post of the year award". I tried to read it all to compare to whats on the BFTA site but my brain just stopped after a while.

Just skip to the bottom where the summary of the important bit is.

Awesime Evans
Admin · 5 hrs
Grading FAQ – Summer 2020

The following questions and answers should help explain the current BFTA Grading System. Should you have any further queries then please do not hesitate to contact BFTA Grading Officer via simon.evans2@ntlworld.com

(make sure you quote your BFTA number)

BFTA Cards / Numbers

All shooters apply for their BFTA card & number via their club, only insured clubs can apply to the grading officer not individual shooters.

BFTA cards are printed once a year, usually in March and are usually handed at the BFTA Inter regionals. At other times of the year, if a new to the sport or returning shooter joins a club, the card will be handwritten (At the grading officers discretion) and the BFTA number for the new shooter added to the current Grading list, found on the Bfta website (thebfta.net)

Your BFTA number is set via the Club you register with, prior to summer or winter season starts, for example :

CSFTA 0xxxx (0 not shown on card /number)

NWFTA 1xxxx

MFTA 2xxxx

STs Air 3xxxx

NEFTA 4xxxx

WAFTA 5xxxx

SWEFTA 6xxxx

SEFTA 7xxxx

FFTA 8xxxx

Once you have a BFTA number E.g. 1800 CSFTA, you can only change it, for example to 50800 Wafta by your new club applying for you. While in summer this has little or no effect and if the Grading officer is willing the actual number change can be made in the middle of the summer season. Once winter season shoots have started a shooter cannot change their BFTA number to another region before the end of the winter.

The reason for no BFTA number change in winter is due to the Inter-Regional contest. Shooters can only shoot for the Regional Team their Winter BFTA number matches, E.g. 1800 = Csfta.

However, a shooter can of course shoot in another region if the new region is willing, but they will not be eligible for that regions Inter-Regional team and in most cases they are recorded as guest shooters in the regions winter league.

Does everyone get a grade?

Yes. The BFTA grades each person based on their performance in regional and National (BFTA) competitions. Scores have to be submitted for grading within one week of the shoot date for BFTA grading. Club or Regional Competition Secretaries should send results preferably in Excel to the Grading Officer. Alternatively, the Grading Officer may take results from the various regional websites, if they have not been forwarded on.

For those sending results, please include:

1. Date and venue of Shoot

2. Shooter’s Full Christian and Surname

3. Shooter’s Club

4. Shooter’s Class of entry (i.e. PCP, Open or, Spring)

5. Shooter’s BFTA number, (if they have one)

6. Include shooters who do not have a BFTA number as records will be of use if the shooter at some point then receives a BFTA number.

7. Shooter’s score in targets hit

What are the grades used and what do they mean?

The grades used for PCP are “AA,” “A,” “B,” and “C.”

This means that in competition, shooters are generally only competing with other shooters of similar ability.

“AA” grade shooters are those with an average score of TBC% or above.

“A” grade shooters are those with an average score greater than or equal to TBC% and less than TBC%

“B” grade shooters are those with an average score greater than or equal to TBC% and less than TBC%

“C” grade is for shooters with an average score less than TBC%

Grade boundaries have changed to make the Grades more competitive. This was a trial for the GP series and I as Grading officer believe it worked well, so the BFTA is for the time being staying with :

C = 15% of active shooters

B = 35% of active shooters

A = 35% of active shooters

AA = 15% of active shooters

Having put a lot of work into monitoring the grading system over the last few years, I have come to the conclusion that basing BFTA Grades on all BFTA card holders is not the correct formula to arrive at grade boundaries, especially for the Summer Grades.

I firmly believe Regions should be setting their own boundaries for their Summer and Winter regional shoots, this already happens in Wafta, Swefta, Mfta and Nwfta and Csfta.

While there is no official definition of what each class means in terms of ability, I do agree with the following fine suggestion:

C – the newcomer to the sport (Can also include shooters that just don’t hit many targets)

B – the improving shooter and the journeyman

A – Getting better, reached your limit or on the decline

AA – A first class shooter

Piston shooters must register their scores as “piston or Spring” on their score card, the score must not be included in a Graded class.

Open and Spring classes are graded from BFTA GP scores only, this is for reference only.

How is the percentage calculated?

Your percentage (apart from Open class entries) is based on the number of targets hit by you as a percentage of the number of targets hit by the highest scoring shooter in the same competition, even if they are from outside of the region.

Open % is graded from the highest scoring Open class shooter.

For example: A 50 Target course is used. The winner on the day hits 40 Targets – so 40 becomes the 100% benchmark against which your percentage is calculated. You hit 30 Targets so your percentage would be 75% because you hit 75% of the targets hit by the Winner. (A quick method using a calculator is divide your lower score by the highest score and multiply by 100.)

A brief explanation of the calculation of the average.

Starting with a base %, add the new % to it and divide by 2, giving a new average %. Add another, divide by 3, add another & divide by 4 and so on up to a rolling total of 16

For example:

Score 1 = 50%

Score 2 = 70%

Score 3 = 90%

Total % of 210% divided by 3 shoots = average of 70%

This would put a new shooter in B grade. Even though the displayed Average % may constantly change, the shooters Current BFTA Grade at the start of the season will remain for that season.

A shooter may elect to move up one grade or more by applying to the grading officer, but not down. When a shooter elects to move up a grade they cannot move down until re-graded at either winter or summer seasons end.

However, it is strongly advised that a shooter does not move up a grade or more, unless the grading officer agrees with the move.

Who does the grading?

The Grading officer enters you score as a %, worked out from the supplied score sheets from national or regional FT events shot to BFTA rules. If they are local or regional shoots, the BFTA Grading Officer does not know you have taken part until he is sent the results by your Local/Regional Competition Secretary.

How is the grading done?

All new BFTA shooters will start in “ungraded AA.”” Once three PCP results have been received, a grade is applied to the new shooter based on the first three results average %.

In some cases, a shooter will not be graded until 6 results are received or re graded at 6 results, this is at the grading officer’s discretion where a better starting average is needed.

Please note some regions use a different grading system to the BFTA.

Established shooters will have a rolling 16 average % score, based on 16 results, or any amount of submitted scores up to 16.

These will be a mix of regional and BFTA shoots if entered. Potentially, the oldest (7 – 16) 10 shoots (or more in some cases) on the roiling 16 will be BFTA event scores. This means that it is not always going to be shoot no “16” that drops off your rolling 16 next.

All BFTA shooters are graded twice a year, once prior to the Summer Gp series booking in opening (usually early March) and again after the BFTA Euro (mid September)

In accordance with the BFTA constitution, the Start grades for Summer and winter will be displayed on the BFTA website.

Current Grades | The BFTA

Updates are posted on the on the Bfta Website with weekly updates on the Facebook rolling 16 page

The updates will include the last score (s) together with the last shoot date and the updated rolling 16% average.

This is so shooters can check the correct scores have been entered.

No alterations will be made once a week from the shoot date is passed, so if you have concerns, raise them early!

For Summer 2020, the shot results from 2018 + 2019 are used. Once the boundaries are calculated and set, 2018 Dates are then deleted so current progress can be better monitored. This is to ensure the most up to date results only are recorded to give a better reflection on a shooters current ability. This helps keep track of the age of a recorded score. The Rolling 16 and indeed any grading system works best with the most up to date results, some shooters record more than 16 results a year, some only a few.

The main columns of interest to shooters will be:

BFTA grade

This in effect is the start grade for the season, either winter or summer. This shows a shooter’s grade, i.e. “B” that should be used for the current season.

These grades only change if a “new” shooter records three scores (or sometimes @ 6).

Avg %

This is a shooters current Average %, based on supplied scores. a max of 16 scores is used.

Every time a score is received for a shooter, it is entered as score No”1″ in the rolling 16 columns. Other scores move along one to the right, so score no 1 becomes no 2 etc. When 16 scores have been received and another scores is added, the oldest score drops off the list, think of it as out of date as opposed to score 17!

Null score cards

If signed in for a shoot run to BFTA rules, all shooters should hand in a score card.

If however a poor score is obtained through illness or injury to the shooter or a mechanical fault of the shooing equipment, then the Chief Marshall can sign the card off and the score does not have to be sent for grading.

No unusually Low score will be registered on the BFTA grading list at the discretion of the Grading Officer, as this will grossly deflate a shooters rolling 16 average.

I think my grading is wrong!

The grading’s are done on an automated system and are based only on results supplied to the BFTA. If you think there is an error then contact the Grading Officer, but please have a detailed explanation of what you think is wrong.

Don’t forget, the score dropping off your rolling 16 can have more effect than the latest score being added, that’s once you have the full 16 rolling scores.

Awesime Evans
From now until March 1st, the start of 2020 Bfta registration (think cards) only shooters who have applied, via their club will be shown on the rolling 16. This is so shooters can see if their clubs have applied for them, if not it is up to the shooter to "Help" the club apply, perhaps! It also serves to allow clubs to check that their applications have been received and processed. You must be on the Bfta rolling 16 list to shoot any Bfta event in 2020